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Post by nkumburis on Mar 4, 2011 14:24:30 GMT -5
Hello my great uncle Theodore Kumburis fought in the battle of the bulge with 106th infantry division and he fell very ill before i got the chance to talk to him about his service in WW2 and hes so ill now it looks like ill never get a chance to talk to him about it so i was wondering if any of you could help me. All i Know about him is he Tech sergeant fought in the battle of the bulge and thats really it any help will be greatly appreciated. - Nick K
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Post by connie on Mar 4, 2011 16:40:40 GMT -5
Nick,
First, welcome to this discussion board.
Your quest for answers when it's too late to get them first hand is a common one. There are many people on this board on similar missions. Hang in there. Sometimes answers are slow to come, but suddenly appear.
If you look at the "research corner" on this board you will find that Carl has posted lots of tips for getting started tracking down records. Sometimes these searches yield results. Sometimes they dead-end at a fire. But dead ends are not the end, either.
Floyd, a member of the 106th who frequents this board, can probably tell you more on this one. But, I believe local courthouses kept records of returning soldiers. So, if you know the hometown (or county seat) where your great uncle returned to, you may be able to get some answers there.
If there's a place that has kept copies of local newspapers, they often also noted returning soldiers.
If there are any letters floating around from your great uncle, the return address would contain some clues.
A battalion or regiment number will open a lot of doors to information about his unit. A serial number would be a gift. (Anyone in the family have his dogtags...?)
Of course, posting here helps up the odds that someone may see the name and recognize it. It's a long shot but it does happen.
Do you know if your Great Uncle was taken captive by the Germans or remained free throughout the Bulge?
Connie
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Post by nkumburis on Mar 5, 2011 18:06:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the info but this is what i can tell you about him he lives in indianapolis, indiana and returned there after the war and stayed, I dont know who has his dog tags but ill ask his sister and daughter, I dont know anything about his unit or battalion and he was not captured i dont know how he didnt get captured but from the few things he told me after fighting right before the germans broke through he was sent to a hospital for severe frost bite on his feet. The only thing i got from him was his patches, ribbon bar, a little pin that says gregg writing progress award, markmanship badge and thats it. I would drive out to indianapolis to see him but im 15 and cant drive and also in new jersey. - Nick K
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Post by nkumburis on Mar 5, 2011 19:52:45 GMT -5
Also i was looking at his overseas caps he gave me and it has part of his serial number K-3589 and it looks like his unit is written on the inside but its very hard to make out what it looks lke is theres a number or letter i cant make out then a 7 it looks like a 0 or a 5 and then another 5 and it looks like a th so is there any 106th infantry divisions that start are like this 705 or 755 or that start with a 7 and end with a 5. - Nick K
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Post by nkumburis on Mar 5, 2011 19:53:54 GMT -5
Actually im mistaken it looks like a oh at the end of the numbers. - Nick K
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Post by connie on Mar 7, 2011 13:32:03 GMT -5
Nick,
Your investigations have begun earlier in life than for most. Asking around the family is a good idea. Someone may remember something that will help in your search.
The patches you have may also hold a few clues. I'm guessing that they include the 106th Infantry Division's Golden Lion Patch... ?? Is there a Combat Infantry Patch among them?
The frostbite is helpful information. If he was in one of the units taken captive, it could be that his frostbite saved him that fate. Most of the men in two of the division's three infantry regiments were taken captive (422 and 423). The 424 Infantry regiment was able to avoid captivity. The 4 Field Artillery units (589-592) were lined up right behind the infantry units. Initially most from three of these units eluded captivity. Most from the 590th Field Artillery Battalion were captured. The Gregg award makes me think that your great uncle might have been trained for or actually doing some staff work. (This did not mean immunity from action. During the Battle of the Bulge even those most accustomed to typewriters got to see more than their share of action. )
The numbers you've been able to make out don't immediately ring a bell for me.
Carl may be able to help you more on the patches when he checks in. Connie
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Post by floydragsdale on Mar 7, 2011 19:33:44 GMT -5
Hello Nick:
I was with the 2nd Bn. of the 424th Regiment. The uniform I was discharged from service in is still hanging in my closet. The patch on the right shoulder is a capital letter A which stands for the 1st Army. The patch on the left shoulder is a lions head that designates the 106 Infantry Division.
The vast majority of the 424th men who suffered from frost bite did so after the 16th of December 1944 and by 25 December 1944. The 106th Division men did front line in duty in hourly shifts before the 16th of Dec. Cases of frost bite before 16 of Dec. 1944 were unlikely.
I would estimate that your Great Uncle encountered frost bite after 17 December 1944 and before Xmas day 1944.
Some, or all, of the 424th Regiment were surrounded and hiked for 45 miles during that time period to escape the trap. That hike ended around midnight and immediately a foot inspection was held. In that "bitter cold" weather everyone had to take their shoes and socks off for the inspection.
When the foot inspection was over 50% of the men in our company were sent to aid stations and hospitals with trench foot and frost bite. None of them ever returned to our company for more front line duty.
Possibly, your great uncle may have been one of the soldiers in that 45 mile hike and after the foot inspection was sent to an aid station and hospital because of frost bite.
Floyd, 424th Regiment
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Post by Jim West - Indiana Military Or on Mar 9, 2011 11:40:55 GMT -5
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Post by nkumburis on Mar 12, 2011 11:33:27 GMT -5
I remember that he got frost bite and when he got to a hospital he didnt return to combat. - Nick K
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Post by nkumburis on Apr 13, 2011 17:48:29 GMT -5
April 4th sadly Theodore Kumburis passed away and his story is now forever lost but at least he was able to share some of his story and live a happy and successful life. - Nick K
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Post by connie on Apr 15, 2011 2:20:24 GMT -5
Nick,
I am so sorry for your loss. It is a tribute to your Great Uncle that you care and that you have been looking to learn more about his history.
I hesitate to say more. There is a time to stop and grieve a loss. But when you are ready to return to your quest for information, know that others have found much with a lot less information than you have now. If you are open and asking questions, when you least expect it you may stumble on something.
I would also suggest that you gently get the word out to relatives that you are interested, and note that if anyone runs across military papers or letters from that period they shouldn't toss them. You'd like copies (or originals if they are unwanted.)
Again, please accept my sympathy on your loss.
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Post by nkumburis on May 6, 2011 22:20:27 GMT -5
Thanks and I will never stop my search for more information about him. - Nick K
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Post by floydragsdale on May 7, 2011 20:12:56 GMT -5
Hello Nick:
Write to the City-County Building in Indianapolis. Here's the address and phone number. Many WWII Soldiers had their discharge papers recorded in the county where they were living at that time.
Also, try to find the Indianapolis Star (newspaper) on interrnet; then look for your Great Uncle's obituary. If he passed away recently, you may be able to find it.
City of Indianapolis: CITY-COUNTY BUILDING 200 East Washington St # 2501, Indianapolis, IN 46204-3333 (317) 327-3200
Floyd 424 Regiment, 106th Division
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Post by floydragsdale on May 7, 2011 20:58:07 GMT -5
Nick: Here's your Great Uncles obituary. I went on line and obtained it. The obituary was in the Indianapolis Star, a daily news paper in Indianapolis. This doesn't give you what you are looking for, yet it does give information that you may not have until now. Floyd 424th Regiment Kumburis, Theodore J. April 6, 2011 * www.gannettonline.com/external/scripts/momslikeme/?siteid=5588Theodore J. Kumburis 87, of Indianapolis, passed away April 4, 2011. He was born February 10, 1924 in North Bergen, New Jersey to Nicholas and Elizabeth Kumburis. Ted served in the Army during WWII and fought in the Battle of the Bulge. He was a self-employed small business owner. His wife, Ruth Kumburis, preceded him in death. Survivors include his daughter, Debra (Gary) Barnard; grandchildren, Keith (Lori) Zapp and Amy Zapp; great grandson, Charles James Zapp; sister, Helen Ferrara; brother, Harry Kumburis; and several loving nieces and nephews. Friends may call from 4 p.m. to 8 p.m. Thursday, April 7 at G. H. Herrmann Madison Avenue Funeral Home, 5141 Madison Avenue. Services will be held at 10 a.m. Friday, April 8 at the funeral home. He will be laid to rest St. Joseph Cemetery. Memorial contributions may be made to the American Diabetes Association. Online condolences may be shared with the family at: www.ghherrmann.com
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Post by nkumburis on May 12, 2011 21:25:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the help When he was discharged Im not sure if he went straight to indianapolis. - Nick K
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Post by connie on May 13, 2011 13:58:08 GMT -5
Nick,
If your great uncle or his parents were still in New Jersey at the time of his enlistment or discharge, it might that you are close to places that have records of enlistment or discharge. You might check the county courthouse closest to where he grew up... or newspaper archives from the hometown.
Connie
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Post by floydragsdale on May 14, 2011 19:07:10 GMT -5
Nick:
Camp Atterberry, Indiana is only 30 to 40 miles south of Indianapolis. That is a clue that your Great Uncle might have been with with the 106th Division at Camp Atterbury before they left for overseas duty. That's where the 106th was based before they left for Camp Miles Standish, MA to be sent overseas.
Something, or someone influenced him to go Indianapolis after WWII. Who was that or what was that magnet that drew him there?
Also, some folks in your family might know something about your Great Uncle. You can start asking questions. Then keep a record of the answers. The more Yes and no's you get will give you a search pattern that you can refer to for more clues.
If a person lived in an area for any length of time, there has to be a record that they were there. Every time you find new information you will uncover more clues. Then you will have more questions; perhaps ten more to wonder about.
Floyd.
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Post by nkumburis on May 15, 2011 19:57:35 GMT -5
Also I used a black light in his overseas cap to reveal his unit number and what 106th infatry division unit ended in 35? - Nick K
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Post by nkumburis on May 15, 2011 20:04:27 GMT -5
It looks like B 935 eh
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Post by connie on May 16, 2011 8:45:36 GMT -5
Nick, Here's a link to units attached to or in the 106th Infantry at some time during or after the Battle of the Bulge: 106thdivision.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=unit&action=display&thread=544Maybe someone else can see something I'm not seeing. But I don't immediately see anything close to what you're deciphering in the hat... unless for some reason he was trying to disguise the unit number and wrote it backwards. Then if what you saw as a "3" could possibly be an 8, we could pull 589th, which is one of the organic Field Artillery Units within the 106th Infantry Division. It's a stretch, I know... I did try googling the numbers you came up with on this last try with "WWII" before them. I came up with a field artillery unit from Louisiana that went overseas two years before the 106th and was engaged in action in Italy. This doesn't fit with anything you know about your uncle. It included a roster from 1943. I even looked through names, though I didn't expect to find your uncle there. I think you have pretty strong family tradition pointing to the 106th Infantry. And the frostbite and Battle of the Bulge work with that one. It makes sense to try to connect the numbers in the hat with something there. (Or, it might be possible that he was with another unit in the states before his assignment to the 106th...) This is an interesting puzzle. Connie
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Post by nkumburis on Jun 10, 2011 17:04:34 GMT -5
In some of the stuff he had i found an artillery pin but the oversea cap piping is infantry. - Nick K
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Post by nkumburis on Aug 20, 2011 17:54:39 GMT -5
I want to thank everyone for there tips and the last of his brothers (my grandpa) recently passed away he served in the marines during the korean war. - Nick K
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Post by connie on Aug 21, 2011 1:46:52 GMT -5
Nick,
I am so sorry to learn of the loss of your grandfather. While he was too young to serve in WWII, with a brother in the 106th he was, as you are, a part of this military family... On behalf of everyone here I send you and your family our sincere condolences.
Connie
PS Thinking of your grandfather's military history in the Korean War, I can't help but think how hard it must have been for your great grandparents to watch another son placed in harm's way so soon after WWII was over...
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Post by nkumburis on Aug 25, 2011 17:43:40 GMT -5
Thanks I plan on joining the marines after college and he joined the marines about a month before it ended and was stationed as a fire fighter/crash crew in the 2nd marine division in San Juan, Puerto Rico. - Nick K
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Post by connie on Sept 18, 2011 9:46:28 GMT -5
Nick,
Your grandfather's assignment must have been a relief to his mother...
Keep us posted as your college and career plans develop. Believe me if I run across your great uncle's name anywhere as I'm researching the 106th, I'll head for this site immediately!
As you talk with family, who knows... When you least expect it something may pop up. In the meantime, while you don't know his unit, I hope that some things about the general history of the division may hold an interest for you. (I'll miss you if you don't check in on the site every once and a while.)
Hometown newspapers in your great grandparents' hometown or records in the county courthouse still seem like a possible source of info. Some of the "leg work" on that could possibly be done long distance over the phone or even better over the internet. Floyd might be able to tell you what to ask for at the County Courthouse...
Connie
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Post by nkumburis on Sept 20, 2011 22:43:30 GMT -5
Thanks! His hometown was North Bergen, NJ and his daughter found some paper work so I might get that and when I talk to her whatever I find out I will share with everyone. - Nick K
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Post by connie on Sept 26, 2011 17:52:33 GMT -5
Nick,
Looking forward to seeing what you discover...
Connie
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Post by nkumburis on Sept 26, 2011 18:11:32 GMT -5
I was talking to one of his sisters and she said it was for a medal he recieved, it says something about how his trench was full of water and snow and both his feet got frost bite so he was taken off the front line and then either a couple hours later or a day and his entire unit was whipped out. - Nick K
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Post by connie on Sept 27, 2011 11:40:28 GMT -5
Nick,
I hope someone will be able to provide you with a copy of this document.
Does it contain any unit info?
Connie
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Post by nkumburis on Sept 29, 2011 18:54:18 GMT -5
Thats what im hoping for my aunt hasnt returned my call yet so we just have to wait. - Nick K
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